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  <title>Two brief things, including Lovecraft/WFA</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#8217;m struggling a bit with posting at the moment (aka &amp;#8220;will this darn book fall into place plz %%%%&amp;#8221;), hence the radio silence&amp;#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the meantime,  a few brief things:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-I rant a bit on translations, non-Western non-Anglophone works &lt;a href=&quot;https://storify.com/charlesatan/aliette-de-bodard-on-translation&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; (thanks to Charles Tan for collecting the tweets).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-And a few brief thoughts on the Lovecraft/WFA trophy thing (expanded from &lt;a href=&quot;https://storify.com/aliettedb/on-lovecraft&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). I fully recognise the significance of Lovecraft to the genre, the vividness and enduring success of the mythos he has created. I have no issue whatsoever with people reading and enjoying him. I have strong issues with people saying &amp;#8220;oh, but he wasn&amp;#8217;t really racist, he was a man of his time&amp;#8221;. I also take issue with people who think he should be read and enjoyed and you&amp;#8217;re not making a proper effort if you don&amp;#8217;t.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See&amp;#8230; The only book of his I tried to read was &lt;em&gt;The Shadow over Innsmouth&lt;/em&gt;. I was a kid at the time, not very well-versed in messages, and a lot of problematic stuff in fiction sailed right by me. But the entire novel is so clearly based on a deep, abiding horror of mixed-race people as eldritch abominations that I threw the book across the room&amp;#8211;and trust me, that isn&amp;#8217;t a thing that happened very often.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the thing is&amp;#8230; with Lovecraft, it&amp;#8217;s not only the racism. I read and enjoy plenty of books where the author had some problematic attitudes. The reason I can&amp;#8217;t read Lovecraft&amp;#8211;it&amp;#8217;s because his fear of the Other, his disgust at &amp;#8220;unholy blood mixing&amp;#8221; and non-white people&amp;#8211;all of this is what &lt;em&gt;fuels&lt;/em&gt; his work. The sense of existential dread, the terror that drives one mad&amp;#8211;to me, it&amp;#8217;s so very clearly and so deeply rooted in his racism that it makes trying to enjoy him, insofar as I&amp;#8217;m concerned&amp;#8230; well, a bit like fighting through treacle (and being regularly struck across the face as I do so), and I have a lot of other things to do with my time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding the WFA bust in particular: it&amp;#8217;s not that I think Lovecraft should be forever cast beyond the pale of acceptable. I mean, come on, genre has had plenty of people who were, er, not shining examples of mankind, and I personally feel like the binary of &amp;#8220;this person was a genius and can do no wrong/this person is a racist and can therefore do nothing of worth&amp;#8221; doesn&amp;#8217;t really make for constructive discussion. (but see above for the &amp;#8220;we should give everything a fair chance&amp;#8221; fallacy. I&amp;#8217;m personally not particularly inclined to give reading time or space to a man who thought I was an abomination, and I will side-eye you quite a bit if you insist I should). It&amp;#8217;s more that&amp;#8230; these are the World Fantasy Awards. They&amp;#8217;re not the H.P. Lovecraft Awards, so there&amp;#8217;s no particular reason for him to be associated with them: doing so just creates extra awkwardness. And finally, for me, Lovecraft is primarily associated with horror: the fantasy genre has moved on from that definition and is now much broader than that, and quite beyond the issue of racism/etc. it&amp;#8217;s always felt a bit weird to me that a horror writer should be the face of the award. Changing the trophy recognises that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don&amp;#8217;t know what they&amp;#8217;re going to do with the bust. I&amp;#8217;d be very much in favour of something abstract like unicorns or dragons or whatnot, because the trouble with exemplary figures is that they seldom stand the test of time, and I don&amp;#8217;t want us to have the same kind of conversations we&amp;#8217;re having now in twenty years&amp;#8217; time about the new &amp;#8220;face&amp;#8221; of the World Fantasy Awards. Or maybe a rotating design of best fantasists, or something. The French Imaginales Awards used to have a Plastic Puss-in-Boots trophy, which is kind of kitsch and cool (don&amp;#8217;t know if it&amp;#8217;s still the case because I haven&amp;#8217;t gone in a number of years). Just saying &lt;img src=&quot;http://aliettedebodard.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/simple-smile.png&quot; alt=&quot;:)&quot; class=&quot;wp-smiley&quot; style=&quot;height: 1em; max-height: 1em;&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(comments closed, sorry, because I just have no time and very little in the way of energy).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: right&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Cross-posted from &lt;a href=&quot;http://aliettedebodard.com/2015/11/12/two-brief-things-including-lovecraftwfa/&quot; title=&quot;Read Original Post&quot;&gt;Aliette de Bodard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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  <pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:36:13 GMT</pubDate>
  <title>On colonialism, evil empires and oppressive systems</title>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;So this is only half a rant, because to properly do this I would need to document (a lot), and to reread stuff (a lot, too). But I&amp;#8217;ve been simultaneously reading some genre books, and researching the French colonization of Vietnam in the 19th Century (and the history of SE Asia in that time period; aka researching book 2, the sequel to &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliettedebodard.com/bibliography/novels/dominion-of-the-fallen/house-shattered-wings/&quot;&gt;The House of Shattered Wings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;), and the contrast is&amp;#8230; stark.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me put it bluntly. A lot of depictions out there miss the mark by a rather large margin. The things I see a lot: our hero(es) fighting and overthrowing the colonial system. Our hero(es), whether colonist or colonised, being almost exempt of colonial prejudice. Clean, simple fights for independence where the people rise against their oppressors and become democratic and free.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right. Where to start.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See, the thing with colonialism; the thing that made it so scary and so heartbreaking and so anger-inducing&amp;#8230; is that it was pervasive. I&amp;#8217;m not saying people didn&amp;#8217;t fight against it, but that those that did were a &lt;em&gt;minuscule&lt;/em&gt; proportion of the population (and you&amp;#8217;ll find that even the people fighting against colonialism had some pretty hair-raising prejudices, too).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The truth is, the vast majority of people in the colonizer nations saw it as natural. As the proper, God-given order of things. France (a democracy at the time, let me just remind you of this) massively voted *in favor* of intervention in Annam, because it would make ordinary citizens&amp;#8217; lives better; because it would enrich the country, and it&amp;#8217;s very clear from reading period texts that no one saw any problem with that, across all social classes. In fact, lower social classes saw the colonies as a place you could go to in order to make your fortune; where even a poor person could live in luxury with native workers at their beck and call. And the people who were &amp;#8220;progressive&amp;#8221;?  They saw the colonised as children&amp;#8211;as immature people who needed to be educated and taught &amp;#8220;civilization&amp;#8221;; protected from themselves against their will (as opposed to people who just wanted to dominate and plunder).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The scarier thing? People in the colonized countries thought it was the natural order of things, too&amp;#8211;that they had to modernize in order to compete, to become more Western because the West was so clearly intrisincally superior. They massively sent their children to Western schools&amp;#8211;to London, Paris&amp;#8211;to be educated as a mark of privilege. Some countries, like Japan or Thailand, managed to modernise and retain national independence and some measure of culture. Others&amp;#8230; had less success.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, there was military superiority. But the reason it went on for so long? Is because there was a complete and utter certainty that the colonizers were right. That the colonies were owed to them; that the riches of other countries were theirs for the taking. And other people at the colonizer nation took in those riches and benefitted from them and thought it was due to them too (and yeah, there was terrible oppression going on in colonizer nations, too. Intersectionality=&amp;gt; things are complicated, but again, it was an attitude of all social classes. There was no solidarity of, say, the French working class with the Indochinese. They thought the Indochinese were scary foreigners who stole their jobs and spoke a funny language [1]).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Read period pieces. Read Agatha Christie. Read Maurice Leblanc. Or any other writers. The Empire is the *background*. Racial prejudice is casual, omnipresent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, another reason why colonialism worked? It&amp;#8217;s not only military superiority. And it&amp;#8217;s not trade (&amp;#8220;the French in Vietnam&amp;#8221; version of this didn&amp;#8217;t focus much on trade, at least at first). It&amp;#8217;s &amp;#8220;divide to reign&amp;#8221; tactics where existing cracks (or new ones) between social and ethnic groups were exploited to make a new society. A society that&amp;#8217;s busy tearing itself apart has no time for organized resistance. It means that not everyone is oppressed equally (this is why I have little time for utterly oppressive evil empires. If everyone is miserable and oppressed and with no hopes whatsoever for the future, the government isn&amp;#8217;t going to last for long). It means people are treated very differently depending on where they come from and where they live: colonies aren&amp;#8217;t nations, but a hodgepodge of different political systems on a &amp;#8220;whatever works&amp;#8221; and &amp;#8220;let&amp;#8217;s keep them weak&amp;#8221; set of principles (just see the rather stark differences between Tonkin, Annam and Cochinchina in the 19th/early 20th Century). It also means that there are side benefits for everyone, too (which in no way compensate for the other, horrendous costs, of course): social advances and health advances and science advances, all brought to, say, the population of Annam as a way to demonstrate that the imperial government didn&amp;#8217;t have their best interests at heart, but that the colonizers did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And when push comes to shove&amp;#8230; when all of this complex equilibrium finally disintegrates&amp;#8211;well, it&amp;#8217;s going to be messy. There will be blood. There will be violence. There will be massacres and purges. I&amp;#8217;m not saying it shouldn&amp;#8217;t happen, or that revolutions shouldn&amp;#8217;t ever take place, but there is always a price to pay. There is always a fight for which faction will rule the country, or what the country will even look like&amp;#8211;where the capital will be, who will be in government, what languages will be spoken, whose culture will come to shape everything from administration to the history that is taught. And this isn&amp;#8217;t just wars of independence: the repercussions linger on for decades after that. The Nigerian Civil War, the Rwandan genocide, the Vietnamese/American war&amp;#8230; I can go on, and on. It&amp;#8217;s almost textbook.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You&amp;#8217;re going to say it doesn&amp;#8217;t matter&amp;#8211;that Science Fiction and Fantasy needs to focus on the heroes, the extraordinary, the clean and easy revolution that we can get behind with no moral qualms. But see, the thing is&amp;#8230;. by focusing on this, we perpetuate a great illusion, a great silence. We forget that empires like this only exist because of the consent of the majority. We forget that inequal systems only work because people are convinced everyone is in their proper place, and are convinced it&amp;#8217;s their moral right to oppress others, or that being oppressed is inevitable; or, worse, that the oppressors are morally superior or more meritorious. Because we only talk about heroes, we like to think that, back then, we would be among them. And the truth is&amp;#8211;most of us wouldn&amp;#8217;t. Actually, most of us aren&amp;#8217;t, today (to take just one example, we buy cheap clothes, cheap electronics made with labour in horrific conditions).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know the scary truth about Evil Empires? We make them while being utterly convinced we&amp;#8217;re in the right. We uphold them by acquiescing every day to decisions that make our lives better and richer, and forgetting how we impact other people&amp;#8217;s lives. And we seldom&amp;#8211;so so seldom&amp;#8211;have the sheer, admirable, almost impossible courage to overthrow them; and to deal with the high, bloody and messy cost of doing so.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;[1] Yeah, some things don&amp;#8217;t change. *sigh*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ETA: and in case you&amp;#8217;re wondering: yup, of course I deal with some of that in my novel &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://aliettedebodard.com/bibliography/novels/dominion-of-the-fallen/house-shattered-wings/&quot;&gt;The House of Shattered Wings&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. My alternate, devastated France has had a colonial empire for a while, and it shows. Characters are affected by the colonial mindset, whether it&amp;#8217;s those doing the colonising/benefitting from it (Selene, Madeleine), or those getting colonised (Philippe, Ngoc Bich). And yes, it makes for some thoughts in their heads that can be unpleasant and uncomfortable&amp;#8211;but also, I think, to things that need to be shown.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: right&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Cross-posted from &lt;a href=&quot;http://aliettedebodard.com/2015/09/17/on-colonialism-evil-empires-and-oppressive-systems/&quot; title=&quot;Read Original Post&quot;&gt;Aliette de Bodard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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